Friday, January 13, 2012
Mexican Food in Rural Korea Becomes Possible
Lotte Mart has tortillas. That means, with the purchase of (readily available) tomatoes, onions, pepper, and lime/lemon juice, salsa can be made. A trip to an "international" store in any major city can bestow cumin, but we are still left wanting cilantro. Well, forget that. Just add tabasco (also at big box stores). Yum.
Tuesday, January 3, 2012
"No" Does Not Exist
In a recent post at Korea Business Central, Koreans' preference for indirectness (to say it kindly) when negative was addressed here: http://www.koreabusinesscentral.com/forum/topics/korea-business-advisor-seoul-magazine-four-principles-to-understa.
I find it a very helpful post, especially if one is new here. This is one of those pieces of advice I heard originally but took me years (e.g., until now) to heed.
Why? And what does that mean?
Well, first, it's counterintuitive. I am not known for being subtle in my home (American litigator = brutally direct) culture, because of a deeply-seated (if borderline irrational) belief absolute directness is best and most honest.
But this year, I understood. And understanding involved me realizing how many asterisks my approach was putting in my Korean dialogues.
What? Let me explain. Korean indirectness works like this:
1) Assume you are not an a** h****.
2) Assume the word "no" does not exist in your vocabulary, or at best, is equivalent to "f*** no that will never f***ing happen how could you even f***ing ask me for that you moron."
That's a lot of asterisks. Let them sink in, like the steam from the sauna. Because really, that is saying "no" in Korea.
So you're going to say "no" to your best friends and people you really, really hate. Everyone else gets it softened. "It doesn't seem okay" is a "maybe (slim hope)" back home but here it's a 110% no that you probably won't even be lucky enough to hear (bad news is not often delivered). "They are thinking" more than once means they decided, and you are asterisk-ed.
Point 3 on Steven's post (and his link to korea4expats) explains more fully: Because a "100% yes" is often a 1% yes at most, yes means no.
So if there is hope, you get a yes. If not, you get a later/maybe/I've gotta ask. Really it's the same back home, just adjust the numbers. "I've gotta ask" more than two times means complete incompetence or no chance. "Later" more than a few times means never (picture an attractive mate you ask on a date). Even "Of course" followed by "but something happened" is a social cue, and one we do not press. So why press it here?
For the reasons on why not, see my Jan 3 2012 post on face...
I find it a very helpful post, especially if one is new here. This is one of those pieces of advice I heard originally but took me years (e.g., until now) to heed.
Why? And what does that mean?
Well, first, it's counterintuitive. I am not known for being subtle in my home (American litigator = brutally direct) culture, because of a deeply-seated (if borderline irrational) belief absolute directness is best and most honest.
But this year, I understood. And understanding involved me realizing how many asterisks my approach was putting in my Korean dialogues.
What? Let me explain. Korean indirectness works like this:
1) Assume you are not an a** h****.
2) Assume the word "no" does not exist in your vocabulary, or at best, is equivalent to "f*** no that will never f***ing happen how could you even f***ing ask me for that you moron."
That's a lot of asterisks. Let them sink in, like the steam from the sauna. Because really, that is saying "no" in Korea.
So you're going to say "no" to your best friends and people you really, really hate. Everyone else gets it softened. "It doesn't seem okay" is a "maybe (slim hope)" back home but here it's a 110% no that you probably won't even be lucky enough to hear (bad news is not often delivered). "They are thinking" more than once means they decided, and you are asterisk-ed.
Point 3 on Steven's post (and his link to korea4expats) explains more fully: Because a "100% yes" is often a 1% yes at most, yes means no.
So if there is hope, you get a yes. If not, you get a later/maybe/I've gotta ask. Really it's the same back home, just adjust the numbers. "I've gotta ask" more than two times means complete incompetence or no chance. "Later" more than a few times means never (picture an attractive mate you ask on a date). Even "Of course" followed by "but something happened" is a social cue, and one we do not press. So why press it here?
For the reasons on why not, see my Jan 3 2012 post on face...
Losing Face -- What Does it Mean?
Before you come to Korea, you know "face" and "losing face." But one thing most people don't know is what it really means.
It's like dying. Linguistically.
The Korean term for losing face is "망신" ("mangshin") using a character (mang) that means "death" (망할 망) and a character (shin) that means "body" (몸 신). If clearer examples are needed, let me say this: The same (Chinese-root) "mang" is used for physical death and the same "shin" is used for a physical checkup.
Thus we can say that losing face is equal to death. Or at the very least, "I almost died" and not in the valley-girl or ironic sense.
Soon-to-come posts will discuss Confucianism, indirectness, and other aspects of Korean society that remain only marginally comprehensible to the author but automatic for most of his nation-state coinhabitants.
[And you can thank me in the comments for not beginning a repost session (after a 14-month hiatus) with a passage about "oh I didn't have the time" because I did, I just didn't feel like it.]
It's like dying. Linguistically.
The Korean term for losing face is "망신" ("mangshin") using a character (mang) that means "death" (망할 망) and a character (shin) that means "body" (몸 신). If clearer examples are needed, let me say this: The same (Chinese-root) "mang" is used for physical death and the same "shin" is used for a physical checkup.
Thus we can say that losing face is equal to death. Or at the very least, "I almost died" and not in the valley-girl or ironic sense.
Soon-to-come posts will discuss Confucianism, indirectness, and other aspects of Korean society that remain only marginally comprehensible to the author but automatic for most of his nation-state coinhabitants.
[And you can thank me in the comments for not beginning a repost session (after a 14-month hiatus) with a passage about "oh I didn't have the time" because I did, I just didn't feel like it.]
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